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OldNoccer	Lets have a round robin - who is racing a Marcos this year - all classes anywhere ?		Lead	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 641 Tue, 30-Jun-2009 20:44	Tags : None While looking to find out if Barry's old car was racing this year (see separate thread), it struck me it is pretty tricky to find out who will be racing in our anniversary year - it looks like the very last incarnation of the Mantis racers is all we have info on. But there are lots of cars being raced in classic classes, and clubs changing rules and people changing class to match, and its quite a merry dance. So if anyone knows of anyone who has raced or will be racing this year, HSCC, Goodwood Revival, classic god knows, Britcar, supporting races, anywhere - then let us know so we can wave a flag if we are in the area. It seems to me the cars have to be the very latest, or the very oldest, to be allowed on the track - but surely there must be some inbetween classes ? And who knows, a few more gentleman racers might be tempted - especially if we can work out what the various options are - because to me it is a real mystery (what the devil is the cloth cap pre-66 class?). Steve There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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Gary Harman		#1	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1883 Sat, 4-Jul-2009 22:45 Guru mechanic	As no one has replied so here's the basics that can be added too. No Marcos in the British GTs, FIA GT, GT3, GT4 FIA GT90s or the ELMS. Topcats race 2 Mantis (LS7 engined) in the Britcar EERC Championship. ISL Motorsport should also be in the same championship when their car is rebuilt. Team Tiger & Chesterton Holdings (both LS7 engined Mantis) should both be in the Silverstone 6 hour. Cor Euser in the Dutch Super Car in the LM600. This is a link to the Masters Series, but I do not remember seeing any Marcos at the Silverstone Classic for the past few years. http://www.themastersseries.com/race-series.html Last Edited By: Gary Harman Sat, 4-Jul-2009 22:49. Edited 4 times.
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OldNoccer		#2	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 654 Sun, 5-Jul-2009 00:01	I must admit I am a little disappointed with the lack of response., but I have managed to find some results on the HSCC site (they are hidden under 'calendar') - and not under Results. On 5th April 2009 Barry Sewell was placed 15th (2nd in class B1) in his Marcos GT (No 28), in the Historic Roadsports race Bill Smith was 12th in his Marcos 1600GT (No 87), and Brian Arculus did a couple of laps in qualifying but is not in the race results. On 19th April 2009, Bill Smith was out at Cadwell in No 87, bagging 9th in the Historic Roadsports race. At Silverstone on 9th-10th May there were two Marcos cars in the Guard Trophy race. Both 1800GTs, one under Smith/Evans (No 67), and the other Peter Thompson (No 65). Looks like neither made the distance. On 30-31st May 2009 at Snetterton Brian Arculus was out in practice and got 7th best time - but no sign in the race results. So it looks like we have so far seen three or four Marcos cars in HSCC races - though I think we saw 6 last year. So more may have emerged - it takes the HSCC a while to document all the results - but they are very comprehensive when they appear. There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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Gary Harman		#3	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1884 Sun, 5-Jul-2009 00:31 Guru mechanic	If you can find who does the timing for the races thats usually published by the timing company fairly fast. If you have a look at MST here live timing is available for some series. http://www.tsl-timing.com/ Last Edited By: Gary Harman Sun, 5-Jul-2009 00:33. Edited 1 time.
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hrt	Racing Mantis	#4	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 23 Sun, 5-Jul-2009 09:02	We are preparing to race a Mantis in Belgium. This year we only do Track Days and Eran Racing in Zolder and Francorchamps to sort out the car. Our car is an ex Clubber Mantis. I have posted some pics and video's in the past. Our website: (sorry but it is in Dutch) http://www.hrt-racing.be/index2.html Dirk Last Edited By: hrt Sun, 5-Jul-2009 09:05. Edited 1 time.
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OldNoccer		#5	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 655 Sun, 5-Jul-2009 11:33	Great news Dirk - look forward to hearing how it goes. I think that makes 7 Mantis cars racing - or going to be racing. As for the older cars racing, I have found a bundle more, as I have just spotted the Classic Sports Car Club results pages (Gary - had just discovered the common timing company as the best route to do this - good advice). From this we can add a few more Marcos racers to the list : At Snetterton in April there were no less than 4 Marcos cars racing in the CSCC swinging sixties race, 40 minute race with driver change or single driver Mike Wroe in an 1800GT (also raced in Sports Car V saloon race) Tice/Conoley (Allen Tice) raced an 1800GT and came in 6th overall and first in class C. Edwards/Todd had a 3 litre GT in the same race (the 3 litres are class D and up against reliants, TR5s, MGC, etc) Daniels/Gough also had a 3 litre out there. The Daniels/Gough 3 litre was out again at Anglesey on April 18th/19th, and got 6th (and 2nd in class) In May at Brands, Mike Wroe was racing again and we also have Andy Webb in a 3000GT who qualified well, but got a DNF In May at Mallory the Gough/Daniels team got the 3000GT to 4th. Most recently at Oulton Park, Mike Wroe got a 3rd, and Gough/Daniels were out there but got a DNF. So I think that are three 3000GTs and two 1800GTs racing in this class so far - and 4 more 1800 or 1600 cars in the HSCC races. Presumably the Swinging Sixties class includes the steel chassis cars, and I note in the regs that cars from the 1970s, but in the spirit of the 60s cars may be admitted. So I would say any Marcos from the first incarnation of the company should be eligible. Which really opens things up compared to the pre-65 class. There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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Gary Harman		#6	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1885 Sun, 5-Jul-2009 11:45 Guru mechanic	CSCC Swinging Sixties provisional dates for 2009 are: Thursday March 19th Snetterton (Test Day) Sunday April 5th Snetterton Sunday April 19th Anglesey (Coastal) Saturday May 9th Brands Hatch (Indy) Monday May 25th Mallory Park Saturday June 13th Oulton Park (International) July 4th/5th Spa Francorchamps Saturday August 1st Silverstone (National) August 15th/16th Donington Park (Grand Prix) Sunday September 6th Cadwell Park (Full Circuit) September 25th/27th Nurburgring (Nordschleiffe + GP) Sunday October 18th Snetterton
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OldNoccer		#7	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 657 Sun, 5-Jul-2009 23:05	For those wondering the HRT team is "Hagelands Racing Team" - and nothing to do with Hormone Replacement Therapy - and there are You-Tube videos on the website and a lot of other info I don't understand - and I like the picture of the car in satin black - same colour as my Ducati - have fun boys ... Steve There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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hrt		#8	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 24 Tue, 7-Jul-2009 20:42	OldNoccer wrote: For those wondering the HRT team is "Hagelands Racing Team" - and nothing to do with Hormone Replacement Therapy - and there are You-Tube videos on the website and a lot of other info I don't understand - and I like the picture of the car in satin black - same colour as my Ducati - have fun boys ... Steve Thanks for visiting our website Steve. Indeed, as I explain on my profile page HRT has nothing to do with hormone Replacement Therapy. The Website contains: - the team members: driver, guest drivers and mechanics - racewagen: the racecar starting at the bottom in 2003 with the self build BMW Compact (+ developments) and working the way up with receiving the Marcos Mantis in november 2007, totaly rebuilding it and the first try out in januari 2008. - evenementen: events (races, shows, etc) - sponsors - photo's - media - verslagen: reports - contact - gastenboek: visitors page The You-Tube links and pictures, I post them regularly on here. We are all amateurs in the team, but we make a lot of fun. Dirk
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OldNoccer		#9	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 663 Wed, 8-Jul-2009 23:06	You may not see much traffic in the racing section of the forum, but this weekend a load of guys will go down to Curborough to have one car runs on what is only a 900m track - and as you see from my note - there are classic racers now of Marcos 1600, 1800 (volvo) and 3000 V6 cars. I think there is more racing (and more chance for racing) than many people think. Have fun out there with the Batmobile - and if you will keep it black (I hope) then my Rolling Stones favourite track is "Paint it Black" - it could be your theme tune - Rock And Roll !!!! Please excuse me copying your photo ..but it looks so good... You don't want to swap if for my matt black Ducati? Only joking - I really want both - as they match ! There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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Hillclimber		#10	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 29 Sat, 11-Jul-2009 07:17	Great to see a "Racing" topic. Whilst not circuit racing I compete in Speed Hill Climb & Sprinting. At my age its ideal Motorsport since you are on the track on your own and everything is in your own hands. See www.hillclimbandsprint.co.uk I am at present renovating a 1969 GT V6 to use next year but like most Motorsport run by the MSA, the class structure's is under review, we are planning to run a Pre 1972 Classic Class so it opens up to lots of cars. I did visit Bill Smith earlier this year, he uses the computer once or twice a year so probably hasnt seen the topic
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Gary Harman		#11	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1893 Sat, 11-Jul-2009 11:11 Guru mechanic	Hillclimber, What class does the Marcos run in?
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OldNoccer		#12	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 670 Sun, 12-Jul-2009 00:19	Well Bill Smith at Curborough today showed he has a great car and his times show he really knows how to drive. He was one of three cars timed under the minute for the two laps, and just look at what he was up against, and he did it consistently and tidily (unlike some slower drivers - ahem). Fair do's Steve There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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Hillclimber		#13	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 30 Sun, 12-Jul-2009 08:26	Hi Gary In this years competition the V6 1969 would run in Class V for Classic Roadgoing Sports Cars built up to Dec 31 1975. Not sure about more modern cars.
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Aviator UK		#14	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 402 Sun, 12-Jul-2009 20:22	I raced my LM400 @ Curborough, does that count?
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OldNoccer		#15	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 674 Mon, 13-Jul-2009 08:27	I think Curborough should be counted as a track day, but we could start a parallel thread for all those interested in track days. There are quite a few rules regarding helmet types, sound levels, car setup, scrutineering, etc. You may find that Curborough has wetted a few appetites - but if anything I would say the next logical step is to try and get yourself into an official sprint or hillclimb. At least that way there is only one looney out there at a time! I was going to sign up for Prescott until I heard it wasn't to be timed, but for those interested in taking the next step it could be interesting. Steve There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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Aviator UK		#16	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 405 Tue, 14-Jul-2009 19:56	LOL OldNoccer, I did say that with tongue firmly in my cheek, I didn't really think Curborough would qualify as "racing".
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OldNoccer		#17	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 675 Tue, 14-Jul-2009 20:54	I got your drift ... but on the other hand .. I was racing at Curborough - I was racing myself, and on my first time on a track I was overwhelmed with all the decisions to be made. Where to brake, whether to change gear, what line to take, whether to use the kerbs. It has given me a new appreciation for race drivers - it is so intense... and I want more. I would be there next weekend to do it again if I had half a chance - but preferably after I have made half a dozen changes to the car - none of which even looked like shortcomings until it hit the track (except for the weak brakes which my postings here will verify that I have thought were awful since I got it - they are still awful, but at least they don't fade). So now I appreciate the racers more - and I hope some of them are up near Oulton Park soon, so I can wave them on. I think I have glimpsed what you guys are up to, and why you do it. And it is fun .. even for an old hooligan like me. Steve There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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bmarti		#18	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 47 Wed, 15-Jul-2009 13:34	Me too Noccer, the only consolation that i can give for my times were the fact that i still had everything in the boot,suitcase tools rubber hose spare water for the rad,chair,tapes,in fact almost anything that i thought i might need in an emergency. but did i enjoy,darn right,if i had lived nearer i would have done all five circuit runs.
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Hillclimber	Hillclimbing	#19	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 33 Wed, 15-Jul-2009 17:42	Hi OldNoccer & Bmarti I am pleased Curborough wetted your appetite, you wait till you have tried Prescott, Shelsley Walsh, Harewood and other Hillclimbs. You will be really hooked on the Sport. Its you against the clock, plus your wallet. Old Noccer, your description of the track decisions to be made is perfect - this is what Speed Hillclimbing is all about, we learn every weekend. I can manage about 52 seconds for the 2 lap Curborough in my 600cc single seater, a Lotus Elise will do about 60 sec and a Hillman Imp about 70 secs. Since I am 65 YO, I am slowing down to use the Marcos V6. Seriously, if sufficient interested I am sure the HSA will consider a "Marcos" class in their Championship, choice of 24 events per year around the UK. We run a specific Mazda MX5 Class at present with 7 competitors. May I say that a "Weekend" Hillclimb event is a great social gathering as well.
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OldNoccer	A social event	#20	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 678 Wed, 15-Jul-2009 20:45	I always reckon that the best social side comes from sports that attract few spectators and precious little financial interest. I spent many years racing on one of the Thames Sailing barges - there was keen racing, and needle, and hairy moments (65 tons - no brakes). When I was young I used to do trials riding and the odd enduro, there were no spectators except the ones you brought (before anyone dreamed of these arena shows). We get to see hill-climbing a bit now on TV - so I hope it isn't spoiled as I think it is one of the survivors (and I think I could add to that grasstrack bikes, and autograss cars). But as regards a Marcos hillclimb class - I doubt sufficient of us can dedicate the time or risk our precious machinery on such a venture. However, Prescott may sow the seed, and if nothing else maybe we could have a run to a real hillclimb event as spectators just to have a look-see. And you have done 52 seconds round Curborough in a 600cc - J****! Polite words escape me ! I have a mental picture of Richard Patridge in 500bhp Mantis GT being left dead by a 600cc car. I was amazed by the speed of Bill Smith's 1600 at 59s, so it looks like the smaller the engine the faster !! You don't know the times for an Ariel Atom do you (I want a go in one - anyone?). Steve There's a lot of talk these days about green transport. Well, I am ahead of the game, I already have green transport ... British racing green.
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